Petitions (and other influence/intimidation rolls)

[toledo]

Not totally sure that it can be a little too easy? - though I guess it depends very much on having the right character and also your honour

Baroness Toledo for example has Diplomacy Expert (+3 to the roll), and has the Forgiving trait (+2). Because of the wedding where my House now has 8k honour I also easily get the +2 for having a higher Honour

The base roll is (with less than 10k) 8+ for Minor Success, 10+ for a Major Success and <2 for a fail

The Baroness therefore has +7 on the roll meaning a major success on 3 on a D8. I simply don't even have to pay to likely get a major success

...that said the character I petitioned appears to have buggered of to a House on a different planet, when the wiki tends to imply they will likely join another House in the Region (I don't know if that is perhaps linked to the pitiful amount of cash I petitioned with!)

"Loyalty may not be greater than 100% and if it is reduced to 20% or below, the character has a chance of leaving their house every chronum. Characters that leave their house will join another random house in their region (or world). Their loyalty to their new house will be 100%."

In total it took 5 petitions before the character moved on, each time I offered 100£

Chronum 5th ∅ 52nd ∀:
Baroness Toledo was able to persuade Tribune Gwychardus De Clifford to reconsider their loyalty.
Chronum 4th ∅ 52nd ∀:
Baroness Toledo was able to persuade Tribune Gwychardus De Clifford to reconsider their loyalty.
Chronum 3rd ∅ 52nd ∀:
Baroness Toledo was able to persuade Tribune Gwychardus De Clifford to reconsider their loyalty.
Chronum 2nd ∅ 52nd ∀:
Baroness Toledo was highly influential with Tribune Gwychardus De Clifford causing much questioning about Tribune Gwychardus De Clifford's loyalty.
Chronum 1st ∅ 52nd ∀:
Baroness Toledo was highly influential with Tribune Gwychardus De Clifford causing much questioning about Tribune Gwychardus De Clifford's loyalty.


I suspect that the influence and intimidation value of some of the traits are a little too high (or perhaps where the roll is based on a D8 it should be a D16 or D20).

Perhaps if the roll was made higher then the value of skills should be a little more incremental with ability on the lines of;

Neophyte +1
Apprentice +2
Expert +4
Master +6

In terms of petitions, I think there also needs to be a way to "counter-petition" your own characters in order to re-build their loyalty?

[monkeyx]

You have a rare character made for petitioning. The right trait and an expert in an ecclesiastical skill (effectively 280 days worth of skill training). Of course, she is formidable at her job.

The game encourages such great characters to exist and be used with the proviso that the assassin's blade or a bad illness or the perils of combat could result in such a fortuitous character being removed.

She is still limited by action points and location. Likewise, a Lord who sees such an emissary doing such could freely imprison and execute her. Where would her words get her then?

As for countering petitions, a Tribune can now petition a character at their own estate just as an Emissary can petition a character at another's estate. So you can counteract the flagging loyalty of your own house.

Of course, if you are dealing with the Ancient Houses, more power to you. They are cursed and need to be purged. You are doing the Church's work by letting Gwychardus De Clifford know how sinful his house is and causing him to leave